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Wednesday, July 20, 2005


John Roberts' New US Christian Flag: Let us make a Wave Offering to our Lord!

I think Becky at grrrlmeetsworld.com has the most fascinating posts day in and day out. She pointed out this story of a group that sells a "Christian Flag of the United States of America!" As I read the post, I was reminded of Friar Tim's post about Vacation Bible School and his "anabaptist rebellion" concerning having to say the pledge of allegiance to an American flag in his church. I was having a pretty good chuckle over this issue until I read Bruce Prescott's article on Supreme Court nominee John Roberts. It seems that Roberts argued in favor of prayer at public high school graduations.

Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, described Roberts as a "faithful soldier in the right wing's war on the Bill of Rights." He explained that "Roberts, as deputy solicitor general in the first Bush White House, drafted a key legal brief urging the Supreme Court to scrap decades of settled church-state law and uphold school-sponsored prayer at public school graduation ceremonies and other forms of government-endorsed religion. (At the time, Roberts was serving as political deputy in charge of crafting policy under then Solicitor General Kenneth Starr.)"

Sign the MoveOn.org petition here.

Seems we might have to get used to the idea of an American Christian flag after all!
God help us!

5 Comments:

At 2:19 PM, Blogger D.R. said...

Howie,

Just when I think you are beginning to see through the propaganda, you go and write this nonsense.
1) John Roberts has nothing to do with that weirdo group and lumping him with them is simply unfair. I am sure you did it to be controversial, but some people are dense enough to believe everything they see on websites.
2) I heartily disagree with saying the pledge of allegience in any church service. We are there to honor God, not the U.S. And I think a growing number of conservative Christians are starting to agree. See this interesting post at http://laurabethatwood.blogspot.com/2005/07/patriotism-in-church.html
from a Southern Seminary student.
3) John Roberts first of all defended the rights of student initiated prayer, which I believe is well within the constitution. A valedictorian or president of the student class earned the right to speak. They should be allowed to pray. If you defend the prayer call for Muslims being broadcast over loudspeakers in a city, then you should defend this as well.
4) As I noted on Bruce Prescott's site, Roberts argued what his bosses told him to and that view doesn't necessarily reflect his own. See this post on Drudge about Ann Coulter's statements about Robert's views:
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3acj.htm
5) Barry Lynn is just as faithful a soldier in the left wing war on the Bill of Rights. One extremer heaping insults on someone he considers to be another? And I thought you were for moderation?
6) You completely deny your moderate views when you hook onto MoveOn.org, an organization that advocates partial birth abortion. No Christian should support such a heinous act as that!
7) The idea of a theocracy coming about from this is ridiculous and you are smarter than that. The propaganda must stop. And you know that as well. If you truly are a staunch defender of religious liberty then you must concede that uncomfortability in the midst of religion in the public square is not a violation of one's rights. We might be a secular society, but we are not a non-religious one.

Let's stop the rhetoric and the name-calling and start focusing on the facts. Pull away from extreme organizations and advocate for true moderation. It's not found in the Americans United, nor MoveOn, just as much as it's not found in Focus on the Family.

Bush won the election. Let him name who he wants as long as they are not an idiot. And clearly this guy has been called everything but. It's not going to end people's rights, but it may end a heinous activity like partial birth abortion and also the stifling of religious free exercise, something for which you especially should be an advocate.

 
At 7:31 PM, Blogger Howie Luvzus said...

1) DR you’re right! A poll by PIPA revealed that 80% of Fox news viewers were wrong about WMDs, Al Quaeda links to Saddam, and world opinion about the US-http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:y3mBJCObArYJ:www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf+PIPA+survey+fox+wrong&hl=en&lr=lang_en
2) Great! Right again! Thanks for the link!
3) John Roberts first of all defended the rights of student initiated prayer, which I believe is well within the constitution. A valedictorian or president of the student class earned the right to speak. They should be allowed to pray. —What else have they earned the right to do? Weak! If you defend the prayer call for Muslims being broadcast over loudspeakers in a city, then you should defend this as well.—I wouldn’t. What city is this?
4) As I noted on Bruce Prescott's site, Roberts argued what his bosses told him to and that view doesn't necessarily reflect his own. See this post on Drudge about Ann Coulter's statements about Robert's views: http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3acj.htm ---You got me there! If Ann Coulter is against the guy, I’ve gotta give him a second look!
5) Barry Lynn is just as faithful a soldier in the left wing war on the Bill of Rights. One extremer heaping insults on someone he considers to be another? And I thought you were for moderation?---Thanks, I’ll look up info on him.
6) You completely deny your moderate views when you hook onto MoveOn.org, an organization that advocates partial birth abortion. No Christian should support such a heinous act as that!---Again, I did not know that about moveon. I saw on their website that they had a petition about Roberts, wanted Rove fired, and to protect NPR.
7) The idea of a theocracy coming about from this is ridiculous---Seriously, I used to believe a lot was impossible. I believed that a lying president should be impeached. I never thought our country would engage in a preemptive strike, etc.
If you truly are a staunch defender of religious liberty then you must concede that uncomfortability in the midst of religion in the public square is not a violation of one's rights.----You are right here too. But a public school graduation is not the public square. It’s a government endorsed event. I don’t want to hear a prayer to Allah, or God, or Goddess, at my son’s graduation.

Let's stop the rhetoric and the name-calling ------Rhetoric? Seriously, the stuff that’s happened in my beloved country over the past few years has scared the heck out of me. It’s hard for me not to believe the worst anymore. Sorry, but I do believe the Bill of Rights is under attack.

Bush won the election. Let him name who he wants as long as they are not an idiot.---Hasn’t the Rove thing, Tennant getting a medal of honor, WMDs, Hussein, etc. given us cause to question W’s judgment?

BTW—this may get me in trouble with my leftward leaning friends, but I’m against almost every form of abortion. Partial-birth or not. I’m right about this one and I will not debate it.

 
At 2:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bush didn't "win" the election. He has no right to be in the White House, thank you very much. As for the abortion issue, the wealthy right will always be able to send their daughters on vacation to Mexico, or Swedem, or anywhere in Europe, for that matter, and be able to keep their hypocritical hands clean. And the poor will have more single moms, greater poverty and less opportunity to rise out of the latrine the Bushies would house them in.

 
At 7:20 PM, Blogger D.R. said...

Anonymous, you clearly have been indoctrinated by the left.
1) The left leaning Supreme Court in the first election unanimously decleared Bush the clear winner. In the second election it wasn't even close. To say Bush didn't win is to show bitter ignorance.
2) Look into planned parenthood's beginnings. You will see it began with a racist woman who though abortion would keep young black men and women from being born. Welfare keeps the poor oppressed because it is based on what you don't earn. The poorer you are the more money you make. These are liberal programs that are oppressing the poor. Conservative economics have been shown to be very effective means of empowering the poor through providing jobs.
3) Middle and upper-middle class conservatives give more money to the poor than any other demongraphic in the population.

Get your facts straight anonymous and stop believing everything the left throws at you. Just because they yell the loudest doesn't mean they are right.

 
At 3:12 AM, Blogger Becky said...

Aww, thanks Howie.

 

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